Jul132012

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A Non-Traditional Take on the Bug-Out Bag, Part 2

Guest post by J.E. See Part 1 of his article here.

Most disasters and emergencies send us to the homes of friends, family, or motel/hotel rooms to, “weather the storm.” This might be for a few days, weeks, months, even years. Most of the time we aren’t running into the woods or into the outback to, “camp,” our way back to better times.

image by Josh Parrish

Yes, we need to be ready to rough-it in the wilderness, but I would argue that we have an equal or increased need to be “URBAN-ready.”

When a disaster or emergency strikes, most of us will not bug out on foot. Yes, we need to have a plan, and be ready to do so, but the reality is that most of us will bug out via our vehicles, and maybe even catch the first flight outta Dodge. You need to be ready to survive in an urban/suburban setting as well as the backwoods. It’s a survival mistake to gear up for the wilderness, while overlooking the reality and possibility of the need for urban/suburban survival.

A few tips for urban survival

  • Rent the cheapest motel room you can find for a whole month, and try to “survive” there with only your bug-out bag. Sure, you can go shopping for groceries, but, ONLY groceries and consumable healthcare products (shampoo, soap, deodorant, etc.) Don’t allow yourself to buy “extras” from the grocery store (like cups, silverware, towels, pillow cases, razors, flashlights, can openers, etc.).
  • Most news stories about germs in hotel/motel rooms should send shivers up your spine. Have you read about their germ-infested doorknobs, light switches, TV remotes, in-room phones, and pillows/bedspreads? What do YOU carry in YOUR pack, to help protect your from these situations?
  • Personally, my bug out bag includes two of our own pillow cases, plus two down-filled camping/travel pillows. I also have two king-sized top-sheets (one to dress over a bed military-style, and the other as a top-sheet.) Yes, I also have my own (cheap) programmable TV remote. Not so much due to the germs, but because I like knowing where MY BUTTONS are located. (I travel a LOT, and get tired of learning new remotes in each hotel!)
  • Take those P38 military-style can openers in your bug out bag, and put them on your keychain, instead. Replace them with a REAL metal hand-crank can opener from Wal-Mart or Target or wherever. After opening just a couple of cans with a P38, you will be WISHING you had a REAL can opener. They aren’t too heavy, or too large, yet they are a DREAM to use in comparison.
  • Also, experiment with eating utensils. Initially, I just carried a couple of sets of plastic-ware from fast food joints. Then, I replaced these with a camping-style metal knife/fork/spoon kit, which is still in my bag, but the handles/edges are somewhat sharp and uncomfortable. I’ve recently added four different sized plastic knife/fork kits. Who knows? In the future, maybe I’ll just put two sets of our kitchen flatware into my bag. The reason it’s important to find the right utensils that work for you is because we use these items about three times per day. So, they should be comfortable, durable, and functional. We spend so much money on compasses, GPSs, guns, and other stuff that we will probably NOT use during disasters/bug-outs, but our silverware/flatware will get used several times per day.

Other “urban” stuff that has found its way into my bug out bag:

  1. AA/AAA collapsible battery charger plus rechargeable batteries
  2. Small six-foot extension cord with three outlets because there are never enough outlets where you want them in hotel/motel rooms.
  3. A pair of 3:2-prong plug converters so you can plug three-pronged laptops and such into a two-prong old-school wall outlet.
  4. Over-the door hooks because usually there are no trees in hotel rooms to hang your stuff from.
  5. A “real” cooking spatula serving spoon for cooking.
  6. Two rolls of quarters in my bug out bag. Motel/hotels are too often vending machine-based. Washers, dryers, and drink/snack machines are plentiful, but, change for a buck isn’t always available.

Basically, whatever I bought during my first month of living in a hotel room, ended-up in my bug out bag. It was a VALUABLE lesson.

You and your bag should blend in, no matter where you are

While I’m on the “urban” subject, let me say that I can carry my back on public transportation, past police officers and such without drawing so much as a second-glance. While I, too, like to strap all kinds of gear to the outside of my pack when hiking and such (to make it easily accessible,) that isn’t so urban-friendly. For example, if my machete or pistol, or camping hatchet were attached to the outside of my pack, the cops might want to, “have a word,” with me. Instead, my pack has room for ALL of my gear to fit inside!

Yes, I still have pouches/carriers attached to my shoulder straps, and waist belt, and exterior of my pack to quick-clamp stuff where it belongs, but I still have room to get everything inside my pack, too!

I know many of us focus on camouflage, cover, and concealment, but there are some emergencies/disasters, when you want and need to solicit help from others or to keep yourself safe, especially in urban environments! Thus, I encourage everyone to include at least a pair of high-visibility roadside safety vests with reflective material. This could be the difference between life & death for you and your family during a roadside emergency or such!

Keeping your bug-out bag TSA-friendly

Our packs shouldn’t weigh more than 50 pounds, so we can avoid extra airline fees for overweight baggage, should you find yourself on a flight out of Disaster-ville.

Secondly, I already mentioned the importance of keeping ALL of your gear inside your pack. I can’t tell you how many times a, “sticky fingered,” baggage handler or a TSA agent stole gear from my CHECKED baggage. I lost things like compasses, Leatherman multi-tools, pocket knives, and more!

One time, my bug out bag came out looking like a yard sale on the conveyor belt at the baggage claim area! I don’t think they did this on purpose. Instead, I think they opened my bag to search it, and then didn’t properly re-secure it when they were finished. So, the zippers pulled apart under the weight of my bag, and spilled the contents EVERYWHERE along the conveyor belt.

As you pack your bag, it’s vital that you know what’s in it, and stay up to date with current TSA rules. They change pretty frequently. Some items such as guns and ammo will always need to be packed separately according to the rules and some items will always be banned (fuels). There are other banned items that most of the traveling public is unaware of, such as battery limitations and MREs. MREs are banned because of their heater elements/packs.

Pre-made alcohol stoves and such are also prohibited, but a bottle of Everclear would be considered as a drinking-alcohol, not as a “fuel” alcohol. Anything clearly-labeled as flammable, like bottles of HEAT, are going to be confiscated.

Tips for hassle-free travel

Before heading to the airport, first remove anything from your hand-carried bags that isn’t TSA compliant. You would actually be kind of surprised at how many items canbe packed in checked baggage, such as knives, machetes, wrist-rockets, baseball bats, etc. Then, lock your zippers closed with REAL locks, not those “TSA-friendly” models.

Once you are at the airport, proceed to the ticket counter to check your bag, but tell them you want it to be manually inspected with yourself present because you have had items disappear in the past. They will send you to the “oversize” luggage area where people check their golf clubs, snow skis, musical instruments, etc. The TSA agent will take your bag and put it through the scanner. If it “passes,” then it’s fine for the rest of your trip with no need to be reopened along the route. The manual inspection bypasses the need for TSA-friendly locks and allows you to have more secure luggage.

If, however, your bag is flagged by the scanner, then they will invite you, “behind the red ropes,” for a manual inspection of your bag. They will ask you to unlock it, and then tell you to step back so THEY can unpack and inspect it.) YOU are not allowed to touch your gear during this procedure.

Once they have cleared your contents or removed any unauthorized items, you will then be allowed to repack your bag and re-lock it. Again, it will now be fine until it’s final destination. They will ONLY invite you back behind the ropes if your bag FAILS the scanner. So, be sure to LOCK your zippers BEFORE you check your bags.

TSA is accustomed to people traveling with guns. Hunters, military personnel, police, and many citizens do it all the time. BE AWARE of the TSA rules for checking and declaring firearms, and be aware of the laws related to firearms of the state you are visiting.

If the airlines KNOW that you will be violating state “carry” laws at your destination, they are compelled to inform the authorizes in that state, yet, they are not  compelled to notify you of the laws/restrictions of your destination, nor inform you that they informed the authorizes. So, you could be surprised at baggage claim by, “the authorities.” Thus, travelers, be informed and aware.

Reminder: Most of the stuff that the TSA agents prohibit you from carrying as “carry-on,” are actually ALLOWED to be brought aboard as “checked baggage.” I have two EDC (Everyday Carry) kit. The first one is TSA carry-on safe, and the second is not. So, as I check in my bug-out bag, I insert my non-safe EDC kit into it. Once I get to my destination, it’s the first thing I remove from my bag.

False 72-hour bags

I crack up when I see bags that are being advertised as, “72-hour kits,” that also include food/MREs, and water and hydration kits/bags. People, the average person can survive three days without water, and three WEEKS without food. Thus, 72 hour bags don’t need to waste valuable space/weight on food, or water, really. Replace that food and water with other gear such as hunting/fishing supplies, or water treatment/purification gear.

Then again, I don’t feel that we should have 72-hour blinders on when we create bug out bags. We should create a bag/kit that is indefinite. We should carry the means to process/treat water, not carry water itself. We should have the means to hunt/fish/cook, not carry pre-made meals.

Sure, people should feel free to include a few snacks for mental happiness or a few small bottles of caffeinated energy drink for that little extra “pick-me-up”. Even a few packets of drink-mix will help convert boring or terrible-tasting water, into something halfway palatable. But, FULL meals and filled water bladders or bottles are unnecessary additives. If anything, just keep a grab-n-go food bag and canteen by the door. You can always ditch it if necessary, as opposed to rucking it within your pack.

Tiering of bug out bags

An effective plan can also help you reduce the contents of your bug out bags! If you have pre-positioned gear at your retreat location(s) or hidden caches, then that’s LESS gear that you have to carry as you depart.

We have bug out bags for each family member. We also have get-home and emergency gear in each vehicle. The bed box of a pickup truck is a Godsend for preppers!!!!

We also have pre-packed grab-and-go bags:

A. A camping/tent bag. This is a heavy car-hauled bag that includes two tents, inflatable air bed & pump, LED camping lanterns, battery-powered fans, and other items for a large, multi-room, candles/matches, family-oriented tent/site.
B.) A camp-kitchen bag, which includes several multi-fuel stoves, a folding table, collapsible water buckets, fire-cooking gear, more LED lanterns, solar lights, solar chargers, cast iron pots/pans, battery-operated and hand-crank coffee grinders/pots, etc.
C.) An elaborate military-style first aid (trauma) backpack. This sucker is bright red, has a large red cross patch upon it, and has just about EVERYTHING imaginable! (We took the “real” kit, and added a BUNCH MORE gear to it, to include surgical tools/kits, over-the-counter meds, plus extra prescription meds and antibiotics.
D.) Fishing/hunting/trapping bag. With a dozen leg-hold traps, a couple of cans of tuna fish, collapsible fishing rods, small fresh+salt water tackle boxes, land/trout lines + treble hooks, shotgun + shells, filet knives and skinning knives, a Henry .22 survival rifle + ammo, LED headlamps, 12v spotlights, etc.
E.) Food/water kits. These are pre-packed with about three weeks worth of shelf-stable food/supplies for two people. We recheck/resupply these annually.
F.) Tool bags.  We have three because putting all the tools into ONE bag, made it too heavy and cumbersome to carry and locate what we needed.
G.) Communications bag. We have handheld HAM radios in our bug-out bags. We also have vehicle-mounted systems in our cars, trucks, boats. This bag includes extra solar panels, battery chargers, backup radios/parts/headsets, small battery-operated TV & DVD player, battery-operated radio/CD player, etc.

Our whole lives are actually color-coded bag-based. We have flight bags, SCUBA/dive bags, ditch bags for boating, a picnic backpack for romantic getaways, swim bag for going to the pool, etc.

I hope the information in these two articles has been helpful. It’s so important that emergency bags/kits are oriented toward multi-user, rather than the somewhat selfish focus on the single-user. It’s also vital to take into consideration that your survival “retreat” may be a friend’s house or apartment or even a hotel in an urban or suburban setting. You can never know beforehand which route or strategy will be most likely to insure your survival. Adaptability of your gear and your mindset is key.

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(22) Readers Comments

  1. Thank you so much for these articles. Your calm manner of writing combined with common sense ideas make preparing seem easier. No scare tactics nor doomsayers have made me feel that I could handle this, yet you show that it doesn’t have to be perfect by anyone’s standards but my own. I can do this. Thanks, again.

  2. Great, informative, useful ideas! You have me re-examining my strategy!

  3. Thank you so much for this informative article! We recently had to evacuate our home and have been living at my parents house now for 2 weeks. I thought I was “prepared” because I had everything we needed at home, but I never imagined we would have to evacuate the place that I always figured people would want to escape TO! I also was (inadequately) prepared for a camping-style TEOTWAWKI escape rather than trekking 500 miles to sleep in a guest room. (Noting, of course, that camping in 100+ heat with a baby and toddler is just inconceivable to me; my “prep” plans were made years ago – pre-baby and pre-move – and barely updated with kids in mind.)
    You are very right: it is important to plan for the most likely to occur scenarios and most of those require an urban relocation plan. In our case it was storm damage, grid down for 100 mile radius, ruined water supply, no cell tower access, etc. Most sensible course of action for a small family with a baby = relocate to safer/more comfortable living space.
    Thankfully we’ve been traveling a lot lately and I also use your bag-organization system so it was easy to pack up the essentials for the kids, but it frightened me to realize that I am not prepared for an actual hunker-down-on-the-farm kind of scenario. Plus I had no plans for the animals; that took longer to coordinate than packing up the fam!
    Just recently found SurvivalMom and love the site! Thank you!

  4. We also do a separate bag to hold food/water. We live in an area where fires are common (or as common as they ever are) in summer and where getting snowed in the winter is a real serious possibility at least once every year. We have found that have a “food bag” is much easier. It makes locating our ready-eat food items and our initial stash of water so much easier. I know this strategy wouldn’t work for everyone but its really worked for our family. It also means that in the case of a car bug-out (like a fire) were not trying to grab various cans and things, we just have the one bag to grab and go.

  5. I still can’t wrap my head around where a desert-dweller would actually “bug-out” to. Or anyone else without adequate means, for that matter.

    • Entire cultures of people have made the deserts their homes (and still do.) Native Americans, Africans, Australians, and others. Many of them are so accustomed to desert life, that during an emergency/disaster, they would flee to a similar desert-like location. (You go with what you know.) They might be uncomfortable or unfamiliar with the woodlands of the Midwest, or the winters of the North, or the tropics, etc.
      But, there is ALWAYS somewhere else to go…
      As a matter of fact, I would even argue that rural desert folk, are better prepared for a TEOTWAWKI situation than most of us. They KNOW how to conserve water. They KNOW the challenges of keeping food fresh in the heat. They KNOW how serious hydration is, and the values of shelter from the elements. Daily, they live with the challenges of limited technology/coverage, vast distances between people/civilizations, etc.
      Most of us could learn a TON from desert-folk. No, not necessarily the urbanites in Vegas, Palm Springs or Phoenix. But, the REAL desert-folk — who live off-the-grid. THEY are survivors TODAY!

      Peace.

      • @Jack – I know what you mean…. too bad I’m really from the mid-west and not native to the desert… If the water grid were to go down – we would be SOL.

  6. Very interesting comments. Having small children, though, I’d say enough food and water is a MUST! Can you imagine trying to survive and find food with children crying and whining for days? Even though they may survive 72 hours w/o, it would be very miserable.

  7. Hmm, speaking of caches of supplies. We went on a work related event to Vegas for a week. I was 5 months pregnant at the time. Mid week my belly suddenly grew. I had to go to the mall and get a few new outfits. Then we were faced with an overfull suitcase. And for many reasons we didn’t want to purchase another suit case. An Idea came to mind. I mailed all of our dirty laundry back home. I got the idea from a customer who used to order his supplies in advance, he traveled a lot and would have me send supplies to his next hotel destination. The hotel would hold them until he arrived for check in. If you plan to travel, and know that you will be at a location in say a week. Why not just mail some comfort supplies (like extra kid clothes) in advance?

  8. People need to stop with the “72 Hour” Bug Out Bags & start building 5-7 day bags. In this day & age “72 hours” seems so remedial. It’s better to have more than to have less.

  9. I see where it makes little sense to carry three day’s worth of water or full meals. I must dispute that none at all should be included. Some lag is experienced between acquiring food and water. There are urban environments lending themselves little to hunting and fishing. A day’s worth of water and 24-72 hours worth of snacks with protein is what I pack. For my money I agree; room for procuring should not take a back seat to storing water and food. There’s also nothing like a good knife or axe and some contractor’s bags, cheap poncho, duct tape, and paracord.

  10. Hey there, I just wanted to comment on the statement that you can survive 72 hours without water. 72 hours is highly dependent on optimal conditions for hydration purposes. Heat stroke can take you before you know it is even happening. The food and water in a bug out system is meant to carry you for that 72 hours without slowing you down. I live near a batch of nuclear powerplants. In the event of a Carrington style event or an EMP or even a terrorist attack on these plants slowing down to filter or purify water may not be an option. As an avid outdoorsman I do not recommend hunting or fishing in a fallout area either. In the event of flooding in many areas water may become contaminated with chemicals that most filters and even some purifiers cannot handle. This was the case with hurricane Katrina where many individuals went without water. Average in the possibility of injury/bloodloss extreme stress your ability to survive for 72 hours on no water dwindles. I’m not trying to be confrontational at all. I spent a little time on Paris Island SC during medical screening I had my blood drawn, it came out black, like molasses. That was with me drinking a full canteen of water every hour. Even with all my training about a month ago I almost went down from heat stroke out on Pinchin trail in Linville Gorge in under an hour after running out of water. Also, the Red Cross and the CDC put out the 72 hour statement originally. The food and water in a BOB is to help fill the gap for relief crews as it takes 72 hours for relief crews to set up shop. You can live a lot longer without pillow cases and can openers than you can without water. Again, I’m sorry if I come off harsh but this kind of information could save your life. It easy to get disillusioned with all the doomsday people talking about the end of the world and such. The fact is that no one is safe from natural and manmade disasters. The world isn’t going to deteriorate to the level of Mad Max (as much as I wish it would) but even recently we have had many real bug out situations already that had people been more prepared there would have been far fewer deaths. Clean water, food, and clotting agents need to be in your BOB.

  11. This is my approach as well. I assume I’ll be running from a disaster *to* civilization. To make sure we get there, we are prepared to evacuate in just a few minutes, always have between half a tank and a full tank of gas, and know multiple routes out of our area. In one bag we have: important papers such as everyone’s passports, my kids’ birth certificates, and the checkbook. Cash in small bills and plenty of quarters to do laundry at the motel. A handcrank/solar radio. A solar panel charger that works brilliantly for the iphone/ipad/what-have-you. Laptop, case, and chargers for both it and the phones. In the other bag are a change of clothes for everyone, water, “moral” snacks (peanut butter crackers, protein bars, gummi bears, etc), a few ziploc bags, travel hygiene (teeth, hair, hand sanitizer, etc), as well as “comfort” items like eye drops in case you’re driving a really long time, hair ties, q-tips, and those “yes to cucumbers” face wipes because after running all day it’s even more satisfying than usual to freshen up. In the car we keep a jogging stroller and a baby-wearing device, to have options should we have to bail on the car, along with some water and extra diapers, maps and a GPS, a headlamp (because car trouble always seems to happen in the dark), a fire extinguisher, a picnic blanket (if away from home for a long time, it’s cheaper and more fun to buy groceries and picnic than to eat every single meal in a restaurant), a second pair of eyeglasses (since if the first pair broke and I didn’t have a spare, I wouldn’t be getting very far), and extra copies of the kids’ lovies. Beyond that I have my list of “grab this stuff if you *really* have the time to round it up OR just use this as a shopping list once you get there.” This is the highly useful but oh so replaceable stuff that you use in preserving your and your kids’ routines; categories are kitchen, laundry, kids’ sleep, and recreation. A place to sleep, a few familiar books, a nightlight. Stuff you could buy for not very much at your destination’s Target (a travel crib might set you back $40) or if you plan on driving far enough, order it on your phone via Amazon and ship it to your destination (like your kids’ great grandmother’s house that’s 16 hours away). Basically we just pack with the goal of being able to get out quickly and of being able to collapse in a heap once we get there (and not feel compelled to immediately run out for, say, Excedrin). I love her suggestion to do a dry-run (it really is the best way to learn what you’ll want to have on hand and what will only get underfoot); in our case, I felt like we got ample information from a 2 night hotel stay. Nothing like actually having to load and unload the car to make you whittle down your packing (on the one hand there is something comforting about having *some* of your own belongings but on the other hand it is a huge drain to be stuck managing too much).

  12. Though, if the premise is that we’re packing for a motel and not the wilderness, I don’t see ditching water and snacks for hunting/fishing supplies and water purification equipment. Agree w/Erin about kids. You *might* not be dead from dehydration, but you’re going to be in bad, miserable shape.

  13. Great post, not what i expected but great any way!

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  16. As a long time outdoorsman turning toward prepping I found both of these articles extremely helpful. Much appreciated. I really like the bag system you employ.

  17. Great point on the needlessness of a “72hr” bag containing food and water. Save space and weight by leaving this stuff behind. If you are in a life or death situation where movement is essential leave this stuff behind and gut it out!

  18. This is good information for a trip. But horrible for magor disasters. TSA friendly pack. What happens when the FTA grounds air. Or the states shuts down the power grid. There will be panic msgir roadways and airports will be the first to go.

  19. RB,

    How many “major disasters” have YOU had to bug-out from in YOUR life? WE have had to bug-out from many. Several things to keep in-mind. First, everyone should have a “tiered” system. Your first/basic tier SHOULD be TSA-friendly (because it will often be your FIRST/BEST option to put major distance between yourself, and danger.) Sure, if you can’t bug-out via commercial airliner, and opt to bug-out via vehicle instead, then you can grab your non-TSA bags as well.

    Second, electricity: Out society is addicted to it. Our bug-out bag includes a decent fold-up solar panel kit, and 12v lithium dry/safe motorcycle battery. So, even when “the grid” goes down, WE still have some “basic” electrical power. We have lived in coastal, barrier-island, hurricane-prone Florida. We have had to live WEEKS without grid power (amid the summer heat) due to hurricanes. We have FIRST HAND experience with these hunker-down, or bug-out situations. Having something as simple as a 3-way electrical splitter can be the difference between SHARING power with a friend/neighbor, or being WITHOUT power.

    We also ROUTINELY use MOST of our gear when we go camping. This helps us prove what’s worthwhile to ruck along, versus what’s useless in the “field.” But, 90% of our bug-outs are NOT into the deep woods, nor the middle of the desert. MOST of our bug-outs are to friends/family, or hotels/motels, etc. Most of us opt to bug-out to places that DO have grid electricity, etc.

    Our latest addition to our BoBs: We replaced our bag-type drip water filter, with a newer bottle-style model that offers 3-in-1 functionality. It can be used as a suck/squeeze bottle to filter water real-time while on the trail. Or, the filter can be hung in a tree, and indeed used in the same gravity-fed manner as a bag-filter. Or, it can be used like a “straw” type of filter, and used to suck/filter water directly from a water source (real-time.)

    As I mentioned above, we have recently added a fold-up solar panel system, too. We opted for a model that produces 2X the power consumption of a laptop. (e.g. enough power for real-time use of the laptop — PLUS, enough excess power to recharge the laptop battery, or cell phone battery in the background. More realistically: Charge the laptop and cell phone batteries during the daytime as we do other chores/tasks. Then, at night, our laptops and cell phones are available for periodic use.

    We also added a lithium motorcycle battery. I had purchased one of these for our endure motorcycle. I was AMAZED at how small and lightweight (yet powerful) they are. It’s barely larger than a smartphone (and of similar weight.) Yet, it offers 12v power source. Plus, the handle deep discharges and multiple recharges very well. And, there’s no dangerous acids to spill. They aren’t cheap, however.

    I’m NOT saying that OUR bug-out bag is “right” for EVERYONE. But, what I encourage is for readers to CONTRIBUTE “suggestions” — ways for ALL of us to improve our systems.

    e.g. don’t just say “your suggestions are horrible for major disasters.” Instead, offer YOUR suggestions on how to do it better, cheaper, lighter, cross-functional, etc. CONTRIBUTE — instead of only “commenting.” :-)
    We are here to help one another — especially if we can help WHOLE FAMILIES.

    Peace.

  20. The best bug out book that I have found is called, “Realistic Bug Out Bag” by Max Cooper. It blows away all of the other books on the topic.

    It is on Amazon.com at: ttp://www.amazon.com/gp/product/149921507X/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=149921507X&linkCode=as2&tag=thes0d-20&linkId=QFS62G7PBIJX3XMP

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